Bob Kauflin is the Director of Worship Development for Sovereign Grace Ministries. He is quite insightful when it comes to the subject of worship. His blog, Worship Matters, is one of the few I frequent. Well, I just listened to most of a very long interview of Bob by Mars Hill Worship Pastor Tim Smith. You can watch and listen to the whole thing here (it's about 1.5 hrs. long), or, throughout my highlights below, you can go to Bob's blog and listen to the short interview snippets he chose.

One of the first things that stood out to me was Bob's response to Tim's question about goals in leading worship (Bob's snippet here). Bob's immediate response was "To magnify the glory of God in Jesus Christ through the power of the Spirit." He went on, "I'm not called to lead a worship experience. I am called to build a worshiping community...The body is built up when the church gathers, so that when the church scatters we continue to worship God in our whole lives, until the next time we gather." He references 1 Pet. 2, where Peter says in verse 5,

"You yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ."

At the end of that section, verse 12, Peter gives a reason for offering spiritual sacrifices pleasing to God,

"Keep your conduct among the Gentiles honorable, so that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day of visitation."

Bob notes that our sacrifice of worship is living our lives among the pagans in such a way that they will glorify Christ when he returns. So, Bob's goal in leading worship isn't to create a mere experience for worshipers, musical or otherwise, but to build up the community of worshipers so their entire lives, both in and outside of the church gathering, will please God and testify to others the glory of Christ, so that they might glorify Him in return.

Next, Bob briefly touches on physical expression in worship. I would highly recommend taking the time to listen to Bob's snippet here (6.5 mins. long), so that you can see the passion with which he answers this question. In a nutshell, Bob says, "We want to demonstrate, in a way that has integrity, in a way that is reflective of the culture we come from, that Jesus Christ is worthy of our deepest, purist, and strongest emotions. If who He is an what He's done - the fact that He became a man, lived a perfect life, died as a substitute in our place, rose from the dead, ascended to His Father's right hand, where now He intercedes for us before the throne - He is worthy of affection, emotion, expressiveness..."

The bulk of the interview centers on music and the role it plays in the worship of God (Bob's snippet here). Bob breaks it down into three views of music in the church:

1. Music is a god, has the power to control us, and serves as a source of satisfaction in itself, used almost like a drug. In many churches, musical worship has be come a fix. It is an idol.

2. Music is an enemy, it is so powerful we have to minimize its effects: no instruments, awful sounding, unattractive, just to make sure no one in this church is going to fall victim to musical masochism.

3. Music as a servant, or friend. It is a gift from God designed to develop and deepen our relationship with him and with each other. What people notice in your music is the glory of Jesus Christ. Your excellence is used to serve the church.

That should be enough to chew on for a while. Overall, I found this interview to be very helpful in my understanding and practice of worship. I hope it does the same for you.

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