tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1598186252583758979.post847660560289437013..comments2009-06-02T12:00:38.705-05:00Ryan Flaniganhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12868978678824395324noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1598186252583758979.post-25223537611908763052009-06-02T12:00:38.705-05:002009-06-02T12:00:38.705-05:00Apology accepted.<br /><br />Speaking of grammar, I meant "idol" as "idol". (Does the period come before or after the quotation mark?)<br /><br />I suppose it is not the problem of the rock star (Christian or otherwise) if someone idolizes them.<br /><br />Kris is a hero to me, not an idol. Many others are heroes to me (Christians and otherwise); Those whose faith I want to emulate, and those from whose creativity and abilities I can glean and at whom I gawk.Ryanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06390921796548200259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1598186252583758979.post-69039372534503158742009-06-02T09:30:02.272-05:002009-06-02T09:30:02.272-05:00Sorry for all the typos above - it's been a hard day!Dan Wilthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18317957766507630832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1598186252583758979.post-56080889324301138502009-06-02T09:28:36.844-05:002009-06-02T09:28:36.844-05:00On the other hand, define "hero" and "role model" in contradistinction to "idol."<br /><br />Is it only worship leaders you mind having visibility and influence (maybe credibility and authority), that places them in such roles?<br /><br />Or would you say the same about anyone who has become visible and possibly graced through their craft? Or is the people who listen and emulate that go too far?<br /><br />Business leaders who are Christians? Should we suggest they all melt as well? <br /><br />All movie actors and actresses? How about anyone "successful in their field?"<br /><br />No, wait. Anyone who does something related to their faith, and makes a 'substantial' income at it. Yeah, they're the issue. Wait, ANYONE who's a rock star – the whole thing can't be good.<br /><br />Yes, that was sarcastic - sorry, had to give it some air.<br /><br />The cult of celebrity is toxic. Agreed. We shake hands. Hi-5. <br /><br />However, the anti-cult, especially when simply targeted to one creative division of labor in the faith community, blurs the line between what man raises and what God raises.<br /><br />44 years into my life, it just ain't that simple. You don't most of their story. Do you know what their hidden lives are like?<br /><br />On Wednesday, however, I'll agree with your statement above, Derek from kc, and will find no fault in it.<br /><br />Ryan, as for Man being the Subject of the sentence in any context, without being contextualized as the Object of God's action as the Subject first – is always the human problem. Good thoughts.<br /><br />With friendship spoken.Dan Wilthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18317957766507630832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1598186252583758979.post-83095404645932435362009-05-23T16:23:41.652-05:002009-05-23T16:23:41.652-05:00Ah yes, very much agreed. I think I meant the "your" more generally, assuming that perhaps the quote be directed to the broader Church as a whole. As in, 'hey church, may your tribe of theologically literate increase, and your tribe of idols drastically decrease.'<br /><br />I can understand; I also wish not to be included in glamorized rockstar worship fest. Many a blessings to ya.dereknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1598186252583758979.post-5332174734996118282009-05-22T08:14:46.638-05:002009-05-22T08:14:46.638-05:00Derek,<br /><br />Nice, but please remove the possessive pronoun "your" in your quote, and replace it with the indefinite article "the".<br /><br />Read: "and may the tribe of idolized christian pop stars decrease..."<br /><br />I would hate to be classified as a worship rock idol, much less would I like to melt in the Sahara.<br /><br />RyanRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06390921796548200259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1598186252583758979.post-43356932137909198792009-05-21T23:37:39.198-05:002009-05-21T23:37:39.198-05:00(as a continuation of your quote at the top of the page)..."and may your tribe of idolized christian pop stars decrease like ice cubes in the Sahara."derek from kcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1598186252583758979.post-30930431456986656952009-05-21T15:01:57.345-05:002009-05-21T15:01:57.345-05:00Ya, Wiki says:<br />"Allen is a devout Christian. He was a worship leader at New Life Church in Maumelle, Arkansas, as well as at the Chi Alpha campus ministry of the University of Central Arkansas, where he was a business major. He has done missionary work around the world, including in Burma, Morocco, Mozambique, South Africa, Spain and Thailand.extra foxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07753990160532626664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1598186252583758979.post-45196041997427215562009-05-21T14:40:28.834-05:002009-05-21T14:40:28.834-05:00Dixie,<br /><br />Please read no sarcasm into my comments. I sincerely congratulate Kris Allen, and I do have an interest in him. My comments are actually a prayer of hope that he will not fall into the irony of his hit single "No Boundaries".<br /><br />The song is not good. It is full of selfish ambition and man-centeredness (always indicated by the flippant usage of the words "moment" and "dreams"). If Kris indeed is a worship leader and a follower of Jesus, I pray he stays strong in the Lord and does not truly mean what he sings when he sings that lousy song hundreds of times over the next year.<br /><br />Again, there is no sarcasm in these words.<br /><br />RyanRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06390921796548200259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1598186252583758979.post-57303705850016016762009-05-21T12:07:56.309-05:002009-05-21T12:07:56.309-05:00Your sarcasm is showing. <br /><br />I have no interest in Kris Allen but I find the tone of your comments troubling. I wonder why that is? I'll have to think about it. <br /><br />There is as much idolatry within the church as outside it, imo. Maybe more.<br /><br />DixieDixie Sargent Redmondhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18290571323764327616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1598186252583758979.post-33881388384581626242009-05-21T09:02:36.705-05:002009-05-21T09:02:36.705-05:00Good 'ole Wikipedia!<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kris_allen<br /><br />Yes - he is a worship leader.Betsy Ahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12591649279532222134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1598186252583758979.post-67441766479641365862009-05-21T08:58:04.269-05:002009-05-21T08:58:04.269-05:00I know I heard on NPR this AM that he was a missionary. I was going to look it up myself today! I'll let you know what I find...<br /><br />and I cried too. It was moving...far more moving than laundry!Betsy Ahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12591649279532222134noreply@blogger.com